tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1812241728597205774.post2337159785105528794..comments2023-12-25T12:43:09.743-05:00Comments on Respectful Atheist: The Gay ThingRespectful Atheisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03303760970096374936noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1812241728597205774.post-70744513022565858252011-12-04T11:51:03.305-05:002011-12-04T11:51:03.305-05:00For what Leviticus actually condemns search for &q...For what Leviticus actually condemns search for "lyings of a woman". In the Hebrew, this offense is toevah (unclean, NOT abomination) and is 'treated' by a mikvah! In 3,000 years, no Jew was ever killed for this 'crime'.<br /><br />For what Jesus thought, search for two words (centurion pais).<br /><br />And the King James of the so popular bible - was bisexual!<br /><br />Oh my!Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576054799471594617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1812241728597205774.post-23618606784099510002011-11-25T17:35:58.147-05:002011-11-25T17:35:58.147-05:00All I'm saying is there are plenty of "lo...All I'm saying is there are plenty of "logical" people, who are additionally quite learned in this area, that disagree with your conclusion. If you want to say they're wrong (or "illogical") go nuts.Respectful Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03303760970096374936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1812241728597205774.post-17517589326852699802011-11-25T08:32:46.047-05:002011-11-25T08:32:46.047-05:00I am not a philosopher but I know logic when I see...I am not a philosopher but I know logic when I see it , Because even the worlds best philosopher is not in any position to decide right or wrong for his fellow human.If we came about via evolution and all the things that entails there is no absolute moral law, consider divorce, abortion, drug taking, gambling, alcoholism,affairs, who can tell you if any of these are right or wrong, every one of them will involve hurting our fellow human , so are they permissible, you tell me.If we are purposeless being`s just on a natural , undirected, course to nowhere , there cannot be any objective moral law and that`s just logical.marfinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032728896710454312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1812241728597205774.post-15415684804699960802011-11-24T20:35:59.425-05:002011-11-24T20:35:59.425-05:00I understand your position Marfin, but there are a...I understand your position Marfin, but there are a good many professional philosophers who disagree with you on this. (Perhaps you should take it up with them.)Respectful Atheisthttp://www.respectfulatheist.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1812241728597205774.post-31252235544068591032011-11-24T08:26:14.328-05:002011-11-24T08:26:14.328-05:00If humans are just the result of a mindless natura...If humans are just the result of a mindless natural process , how can there be objective right<br />and wrong, good or evil, who gets to make that call, as we are just an assembly of atoms , just like a tree, a dog or, a slug.marfinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032728896710454312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1812241728597205774.post-69810788033702095802011-11-23T19:34:02.302-05:002011-11-23T19:34:02.302-05:00LadyAtheist,
When this is pointed out to Christia...LadyAtheist,<br /><br />When this is pointed out to Christians they typically just revert immediately to the New Testament, since it also has passages that seem to condemn homosexuality. (But your point is a valid one regardless.)<br /><br />That's an interesting article, thanks for sharing the link.Respectful Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03303760970096374936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1812241728597205774.post-16610101761232080672011-11-23T17:41:03.086-05:002011-11-23T17:41:03.086-05:00Thanks for your thoughts Marfin. I think you may ...Thanks for your thoughts Marfin. I think you may be forgetting about the fact that we, of course, have obligations to our fellow man. So a "fleshly desire" that was harmful, to another human being, would be "wrong" even in the eyes of an atheist.Respectful Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03303760970096374936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1812241728597205774.post-13336163409264195322011-11-23T11:05:18.025-05:002011-11-23T11:05:18.025-05:00If there is no God then there is no real spiritual...If there is no God then there is no real spirituality and we are just creatures of flesh and if so then no fleshly desire is wrong , as there is not right or wrong, how can a random collection of molecules be right or wrong.If you don`t believe in a God this is the ultimate conclusion.But most non believers won`t admit this.marfinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032728896710454312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1812241728597205774.post-3034294650971788112011-11-20T13:32:12.962-05:002011-11-20T13:32:12.962-05:00I think also, they focus on the things in the Bibl...I think also, they focus on the things in the Bible that support their prejudices. A straight person will naturally find the idea of gay sex (for themselves) repulsive, but they can't say "I can't imagine doing that myself so I don't think you should do it, either." Instead, they find the part of the Bible writtten by someone who did have the insensitivity to say that and then they quote it. Nevermind that the same chapter of Leviticus says that shellfish is also an abomination. They don't find shrimp repulsive, so they ignore that inconvenient passage.<br /><br />There is some evidence that the brains of conservatives are different from those of liberals: <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/09/07/your-brain-on-politics-the-cognitive-neuroscience-of-liberals-and-conservatives/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/09/07/your-brain-on-politics-the-cognitive-neuroscience-of-liberals-and-conservatives/</a>.LadyAtheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12132821431322748921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1812241728597205774.post-16672850786799634862011-11-19T09:32:25.284-05:002011-11-19T09:32:25.284-05:00Oh, and in terms of "why did the people who w...Oh, and in terms of "why did the people who wrote the Bible hate homosexuality"...there are a number of authors who have written about this. Have you read "God And Sex: What The Bible Really Says", by Michael Coogan? That's a really good one.Respectful Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03303760970096374936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1812241728597205774.post-8682923260131198372011-11-19T09:25:36.083-05:002011-11-19T09:25:36.083-05:00I think you're right, in the sense that there ...I think you're right, in the sense that there are probably a wide variety of reasons to be anti-homosexual across cultures (many, but not all, of those reasons are religious in nature). <br /><br />Really, I am just speaking here about conservative Christians...and all I'm saying is that most of them are against homosexuality because of what the Bible says.<br /><br />If society were to reject the Bible as "God's Word" (and, for that matter, the Koran as Allah's) I think the fight against homosexuality would lose nearly all of its steam (save a few bigots, here and there, but they'll always be around).<br /><br />But certainly it's a multi-layered issue, as you rightly point out, so I'm only speaking to one dimension.Respectful Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03303760970096374936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1812241728597205774.post-86665898166523397252011-11-17T13:46:19.961-05:002011-11-17T13:46:19.961-05:00I also am baffled as to why anyone is against homo...I also am baffled as to why anyone is against homosexuality so I agree with you there.<br /><br />However, I don't see how you can be right to say that the reason people are against it is because the Bible tells them so. Look, the Bible was written by people. So why did the people who wrote the Bible hate homosexuality? Are those reasons still present today? If not, then what changed between then and now? What do the anthropologists say about how common anti-homosexuality is in various cultures?<br /><br />I've always wished I could find some good books about this subject but I've never found one. I just don't understand the hatred. Racism, fine, I can see that people want to fight for their group against other groups. Sexism, maybe, it seems advantageous for men to subjugate women and possessiveness plays a part. But anti-homosexuality I don't get. I guess it could just be that sex is always wrapped up in all sorts of taboos in human cultures, although I am not really clear on that. A slick explanation I once heard is that it is a form of sexism, it is offensive to think of a man acting like a woman, but that seems too slick.<br /><br />I have a friend who seems really disgusted and offended at the prospect of someone offering him pig eat to eat, so maybe it is just the Bible that makes peope ate homosexuals. It really is possible for someone to have deep, visceral hated and disgust for no reason except that their culture tells them so. Especially I guess when the taboo is connected to naturally charged subjects like sex or food or cleanliness.Happy Spidernoreply@blogger.com